**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 11 12:53:06 2001 12:53:06 --> erisson (pkahle@dsl-216-227-110-205.telocity.com) has joined #wtc-confirmed 12:53:06 --- Topic for #wtc-confirmed is confirmed news : Plane down in Pittsburgh |||| Any ppl from NY here who are willing to donate blood ? -> pm mjl-direct |||| http://robots.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html 12:53:06 --- Topic for #wtc-confirmed set by miro at Tue Sep 11 12:31:21 12:53:41 <-- Ekim_ has quit (Signed off) 12:55:58 <-- pof has quit (Signed off) 12:57:15 <-- DoPPiAgOccIa has quit (Signed off) 12:57:33 <-- Manoj has quit (Signed off) 13:00:51 <-- honza has quit (Read error to honza[194.108.237.118]: Connection reset by peer) 13:00:59 <-- a319|th3_h4wk has quit (Signed off) 13:04:56 <-- cb has quit (Signed off) 13:05:45 <-- Stx has quit (Signed off) 13:06:52 <-- cubeblue has quit (Ping timeout for cubeblue[209.195.29.60]) 13:07:20 <-- DyBBuK has quit (Signed off) 13:07:43 <-- eisi has quit (Signed off) 13:09:07 <-- blacksheep has quit (Signed off) 13:09:32 --- ChipX86 has changed the topic to: confirmed news : Plane down in Pittsburgh |||| Any ppl from NY here who are willing to donate blood ? -> pm mjl-direct |||| http://robots.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html |||| http://www.dal.net/wtc/ 13:10:40 <-- tigertw has quit (Signed off) 13:13:49 <-- Ag_47 has quit (Signed off) 13:15:31 CBS, MSNBC, ABC, CNN are apparently all cooperating and sharing footage and info 13:15:32 <-- `Jag has quit (Signed off) 13:16:27 seems sensable. Like they said this isnt a time to compete for news, this is a national tradegy. 13:17:52 yep 13:18:00 lets hope they have the common sense and courage to try and prevent public opinion from going in favour of war 13:18:11 and repeating the same killing of civillians elsewhere 13:18:22 would they have a phone number where you can call them or post reactions ? 13:18:57 dunno 13:19:15 it would be interesting for US citizens to find out 13:19:20 NOS (Nederlandse Omroepstichting, the Dutch public TV and radio news service) is doing a great job of compiling CNN, BBC and other sources too, including Palestinian and Afghan TV 13:20:17 wonderful, this two-sides-of-the-story thing is probably the only thing which can prevent a public outcry to kill an equal number of innocent civillians elsewhere 13:20:23 as far as war goes, I think it's going to happen. And I believe we need to do whatever it takes to prevent this from happening again 13:20:29 * Perrier agrees 13:20:31 so if we must go to war, so be it 13:20:46 the thing they are saying 13:20:48 by doing this 13:20:54 is "we don't respect the life of civilians" 13:20:59 nod 13:21:04 ChipX86: if you go to war because of public opinion, I _hope_ the US public will pay the price for their decision 13:21:08 it'd be different if it was an attack on gov't employees 13:21:09 why should the USA thus respect the life of theirs? 13:21:20 riel_: public opinion has nothing to do with it 13:21:27 they commited an act of war 13:21:32 yes. 13:21:35 who is "they" ? 13:21:36 even if it was only 10 people 13:21:53 and does "they" include innocent civillians who happen to have the same nationality ? 13:21:55 I'm not saying let's go nuke every country because of this, I'm saying let's declare war against teh group of people that did this 13:21:59 whoever organized it 13:22:06 riel: it includes whoever is responsible 13:22:06 even if it's a single person 13:22:13 exactly 13:22:14 then we get that single person 13:22:18 that person needs to be tried, perferable in a world court 13:22:26 responsability doesn't lie on the shoulders of a nation 13:22:31 a war crimes trial 13:22:39 that way leads to war ... only when _people_ have responsability can you have justice 13:22:45 riel: what do you propose? 13:22:51 and maybe make an end to the violence 13:22:58 <-- Jerub has quit (Ping timeout for Jerub[202.138.16.32]) 13:23:15 we could ignore this whole thing, declare war on the person who caused it, or ask politely if we can take them and their group into custody to be tried 13:23:16 <-- nidd has quit (Ping timeout for nidd[dialup9.rmt.ru]) 13:23:19 I don't think #1 is good at all, and #3 will never work 13:23:21 what else can be done? 13:23:44 <-- tossu_ has quit (Signed off) 13:23:49 but first we neeed to get to those people. and that requires taking their soilders out. and that requires a war. 13:23:53 ChipX86: note that all "suspect governments" have strongly condemned this action 13:24:16 ChipX86: now that they've said that, it should be easy to get the governments together and sign an agreement to track down and get the responsible people prosecuted 13:24:33 riel: that's good, but only if it leads somewhere 13:24:34 we need to take the leaders out. this was not a independant act. illustrated buy the fact that Three buildings were bombed. 13:24:35 ChipX86: at this moment no government can be seen backing down from condemning this attack 13:24:43 the fact is, whoever did this will not give in easil 13:24:44 y 13:25:01 roo9: probably leaders who are too extreme to be in any government 13:25:05 riel_: * Israel has evacuated all its missions around the world. 13:25:13 roo9: and are a danger to the life of whichever government rules their country 13:25:18 <-- lasDesk has quit (Ping timeout for lasDesk[208.171.201.140]) 13:25:22 roo9: yes, I saw that 13:25:32 riel_: that seems to be backing out of any support. 13:27:42 um I think I'm desynced 13:28:00 I just noticed that riel_ and some other people don't even appear in my channel list :) 13:28:03 miro, here? 13:28:03 ChipX86: i am as well. the chan is 13:28:10 yes ? 13:28:20 ok, can you revoice me in a sec? 13:28:36 ChipX86: it doesnt work 13:28:39 i tried 13:28:53 --- scoop gives voice to ChipX86 13:28:57 thanks 13:29:06 see i cant even see scoop as an op 13:29:16 me neither 13:29:18 oh well 13:29:25 --- scoop gives voice to scoop 13:29:32 i'm an ircop. 13:29:33 oh, scoop is an ircop 13:29:39 --- scoop removes voice from scoop 13:29:47 oh 13:29:48 I assume you're the same scoop that runs freshmeat? 13:30:06 ah .... i am in the presence of a god :-) 13:30:27 I can't even see scoop at all! 13:30:33 Neither can i 13:30:46 very desynced 13:31:28 <-- ml has quit (Signed off) 13:31:37 --- scoop gives voice to scoop 13:31:47 ChipX86: yes, thats true, but doesn't belong here. 13:31:51 right 13:31:56 --- scoop removes voice from scoop 13:32:25 can somebody op miro? 13:32:45 he's oped over here 13:32:52 same here, but he's not opped on his end 13:33:10 he's the only op here 13:33:48 egh 13:33:50 desync 13:33:51 ? 13:34:06 scoop: can you help 13:34:16 Akamai CTO dead. He was in the Boston to LA plane 13:34:29 shit.... 13:34:46 http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010911/112407_1.html 13:35:00 <-- CyberBrown has quit (Signed off) 13:40:12 <-- miro has quit (Signed off) 13:44:31 <-- KeLp has quit (Signed off) 13:46:11 http://www.drudgereport.com/wt.jpg 13:47:07 --- robster gives channel operator status to miro 13:48:34 thx robster 13:48:34 --- miro gives channel operator status to ChipX86 13:48:34 --- miro gives channel operator status to Perrier 13:48:34 i can confirm .. as of 20 mins ago the US/CAN border is open 13:48:34 looking for a source 13:50:19 wow http://roo.ath.cx/wtc/jet2_crash.jpg and http://roo.ath.cx/wtc/jet2_explosion.jpg 13:50:32 http://dan.nyip.net/wtcboom.jpg 13:51:25 can anybody confirm the above about the US/CAN border? bbc.com, abc.com, etc. is all timing out on me 13:55:08 <-- antoine has quit (Signed off) 13:56:19 WAGA TV in Atlanta (FOX 5) confirms that all borders have been shut down. 13:57:31 --- ChanServ sets mode +n #wtc-confirmed 13:57:31 --- ChanServ sets mode +t #wtc-confirmed 13:59:12 <-- syb-away has quit (saberhagen.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net) 13:59:12 <-- mv_ has quit (saberhagen.openprojects.net jordan.openprojects.net) 13:59:52 --- ChipX86 gives channel operator status to roo9 13:59:57 <-- PiterPunk has quit (Ping timeout for PiterPunk[200-161-23-157.dsl.telesp.net.br]) 14:00:27 i saw the canada border is closed on msnbc 14:00:31 and mexico 14:01:19 <-- mutagen has quit (Ping timeout for mutagen[cm203.42.234.24.lvcm.com]) 14:01:44 --- ChipX86 gives voice to Mercury 14:02:07 <-- miztic has quit (Ping timeout for miztic[216.233.6.162]) 14:03:02 --> mv_ (mv@CPE-203-45-163-147.qld.bigpond.net.au) has joined #wtc-confirmed 14:03:16 Dutch public news service (NOS) confirms that the borders are closed, to prevent terrorists from leaving the country 14:03:33 As a side note, CNN's site (though it does look majorly stripped down) is currently responsive. 14:04:21 Several sources confirm that Bush is now at the SAC Headquarters in Nebraska. 14:05:17 has anyone gotten on american airlines website? 14:05:35 nope 14:05:54 roo9: It is not even responding to pings. 14:06:08 That might be a firewall but it probably means that the site is just plain doo9> 150 critical,sorry 14:07:19 Discover card is not working. 14:07:25 GM still works 14:08:30 Chakotay is reporting that NOS, the Dutch public news, is reporting that it ""seemed like they were shipping him around the country, his security officials unsure where they want him", his political advisors wanting him in DC, but his security advisors not being sure that he is safe. 14:11:31 Again, CNN's site seems to be responding and a timeline is up at http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/index.html 14:12:44 <-- Sandburd has quit (Signed off) 14:12:54 --- ChipX86 has changed the topic to: Any ppl from NY here who are willing to donate blood ? -> pm mjl-direct |||| http://robots.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html |||| http://www.dal.net/wtc/ |||| http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/index.html 14:15:07 --- vlaad is now known as vlaad[away 14:15:17 A few phone numbers which CNBC is streaming: United airlines: 1-800-932-8555, american airlines 1-800-245-0999 14:15:46 <-- look has quit (Signed off) 14:15:46 Morgan Stanley: 1-800-883-4391 14:16:43 Cantor Fitzgerald: 212-704-8188 14:16:52 And the redcross is 1-800-GIVE-LIFE. 14:18:02 avoozl is reporting that NOS is saying that the puttsburg crash was most probably on its way to the whitehouse, http://www.omroep.nl/nos/nieuws/buitenland/nieuws/2001/september/110901/vliegtuigen.html (Note that the URL is not english) 14:20:16 2 korean airlines flights have been forced down in the Yukon, being treated as hijacked aircraft. -CBC 14:21:00 <-- JasonBox has quit (Ping timeout for JasonBox[227.p2.dialup.gru.net]) 14:21:03 CNN is reporting that the NY subways are running again, I'm not sure if all of them or just some of them. 14:22:19 <-- Lathiat_ has quit (Ping timeout for Lathiat_[104.a.001.pth.iprimus.net.au]) 14:23:24 Ok, Chakotay is confirming, the NYC mayor has stated that the subways are running except in the affected area, and that all schools have special daycare arranged for parents who were in the disagned off) 14:29:32 The american airlines site is back up and running. 14:30:17 <-- tsa has quit (Signed off) 14:31:43 <-- miro has kicked roo9 from #wtc-confirmed (roo9) 14:31:43 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to roo9 14:31:46 Should one of us call the FBI's media line to inquire about the flight which was headed for the pentagon? 14:32:03 sure 14:32:11 pehaps. it's not a bad idea. we would pe providing the information to 100's of people 14:32:16 yeah 14:32:18 what's the # 14:32:32 checking 14:32:36 Good question. *starts digging* 14:32:38 --- ChipX86 gives voice to Lord_Odysseus 14:33:05 We have 147 current listeners. 14:33:14 my list says 167 14:33:20 i have 171 14:33:21 but then, everybody is desynced 14:33:26 i just joined 14:33:45 op me in a sec 14:35:40 <-- roo9 has kicked ChipX86 from #wtc-confirmed (ChipX86) 14:35:54 <-- Dr_J has quit (Signed off) 14:36:47 The FBI site is not responding. 14:37:13 --- ChanServ gives voice to ChipX86 14:37:30 --- ChanServ gives voice to ChipX86 14:38:05 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to ChipX86 14:38:08 there 14:38:09 thanks 14:38:19 np 14:38:36 anybody want to call the FBI? (202) 324-3000 14:38:43 what should i ask them? 14:38:49 hmm 14:39:17 well I doubt they'll say anything more than what's being said on the news 14:39:32 but we could ask for additional details on something I guess 14:39:35 <-- terryj has quit (Signed off) 14:39:38 roo9: Basicly we are as close to the media as we have here right now, and we would like more information about the plane which we last heard about heading torwards the pentagon. 14:39:57 are you a jounrlist... no but i'm an operator on an irc channel with 170 people. 14:40:06 go away boy. 14:40:07 haha 14:40:14 ok 169 14:40:45 roo9: 'Yes, a distributed site trying to keep track of everythihe call 14:41:52 AFK, going to find food I think. 14:41:55 i'm #11 on the most wanted list 14:42:15 If nobody else wants to as soon as the phone line is freed up here I can. 14:42:59 i cant, i'm just by new york phones here dont work 14:43:17 at least internet service is still good 14:43:24 i would be going out of my mind 14:43:30 haha 14:43:48 love my cable modem 14:44:41 a lot of things, such as baseball and The Tonight Show, are going to be taken off TV for the week 14:45:52 ChipX86: no loss there. 14:45:56 heh 14:46:59 <-- Losch has quit (Signed off) 14:47:10 Back. 14:47:31 In under 15 they are supposed to have a press confrence, so I think I'll wait until that. 14:47:46 ok 14:47:48 --- ChanServ gives voice to Mercury 14:48:02 good 14:49:07 hrmm 14:49:36 <-- roo9 has kicked riel_ from #wtc-confirmed (riel_) 14:49:48 --- roo9 gives voice to riel_ 14:49:48 still nothing 14:49:51 dunno 14:50:05 <-- DanC has quit (Ping timeout for DanC[slip-32-100-202-151.ma.us.prserv.net]) 14:50:09 -ChanServ- 5 4 riel_ (riel@brutus.conectiva.com.br) 14:50:12 your added 14:50:18 oh well ;) 14:50:52 are you identd to nickserv 14:51:10 try now 14:51:24 --- ChanServ gives voice to riel_ 14:52:19 CNN is reporting that there will be no airline flights until noon tomorrow at EARLIEST. 14:52:57 what's that blood donation hotline? 14:53:15 <-- Axel has quit (Signed off) 14:53:17 roo9: 1-800-GIVE-LIFE 14:53:30 03:15P A few phone numbers which CNBC is streaming: United airlines: 14:53:30 1-800-932-8555, american airlines 1-800-245-0999 14:53:33 03:15P Morgan Stanley: 1-800-883-4391 14:53:33 03:16P Cantor Fitzgerald: 212-704-8188 14:53:33 03:16P And the redcross is 1-800-GIVE-LIFE. 14:53:50 <-- pv2b has quit (Read error to pv2b[cable-195-162-220-83.upc.chello.be]: Connection reset by peer) 14:54:25 <-- Rado has quit (Signed off) 14:5: 14:55:40 two CF-18 fighters diverted two planes...one Korean cargo, one Korean 747 14:55:56 the 747 declared an emergency - it had to do with fuel 14:55:59 yes. CBC Newsworld 14:56:06 and the 747 and cargo were forced to land. They're safe on the ground, neither are hijacked 14:56:24 --- roo9 has changed the topic to: Donate Blood In NYC Area 1-800-GIVE-LIFE | Recap of events: http://robots.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/worldtrade.crash/index.html | Timeline: http://www.dal.net/wtc/ | http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/chronology.attack/index.html 14:57:51 Steattle space needle is closed according to CNN. 15:00:58 --> syb-sleeping (sm@CPE-61-9-172-130.vic.bigpond.net.au) has joined #wtc-confirmed 15:02:55 do you know where the fourth plane was headed 15:03:05 isn't that the one that they think was headed for the whitehouse? 15:03:24 Yes. 15:04:49 Some have said camp david, some have said the whitehouse. 15:04:49 hmm 15:04:49 The pentagon is still burning. 15:04:49 the plane that crashed in PA was headed for camp david, MD - WCBS TV broadcasting out of NYC 15:04:49 <-- gwm has quit (Signed off) 15:06:47 <-- BZFlag has quit (Signed off) 15:08:45 tc is reporting that BBC news has stated that 11 planes were targetted and the terrorists wanted to targets bridges and tunnels to paralyse the city. 15:09:00 BBC news have just stated that 11 planes were targetted and the terrorists wanted to target bridges and tunnels to paralyse the city 15:09:07 I think I'm going to call the FBI office here in atlanta. 15:09:17 ok 15:09:28 Mercury: do, confirm that rumor. 15:10:09 Busy, going to keep trying. 15:11:48 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to miro 15:13:08 Building 7 at the WTC is on fire, and may collapse. 15:13:14 According to CNN. 15:13:29 <-- amblin has quit (Read error to amblin[cosmo.itlab.musc.edu]: EOF fr designed to take a direct hit from a 707, however planes are bigger today, and they did not take into account the very high tempatures and fires. 15:24:30 They are also saying that debres continues to fall in a 2 block radius around where the towers used to be. 15:31:04 <-- makno has quit (Signed off) 15:31:25 <-- Izy has quit (Read error to Izy[as19-3-2.mt.g.bonet.se]: Connection reset by peer) 15:32:05 The stock exchanges will be closed through wednesday, maybe longer. 15:32:22 <-- Kefka has quit (Ping timeout for Kefka[24.15.11.252]) 15:32:34 Air travel blocked out until at least noon tomorrow, no guarentee that they will open back up then. 15:33:02 Air Force One is heading back to Washington 15:33:09 ChipX86: With bush? 15:33:12 yeah 15:34:05 god help him, that is not a very good idea 15:34:54 Mexico US Border open 15:35:09 i'm suprised at that 15:35:12 Lord_Odysseus: The political advisors have been trying to get him there, the security advisors are against it. 15:35:19 roo9: As of when? What source? 15:37:46 has there been any mention of who insured the WT buildings? 15:38:03 Lord_Odysseus: No. 15:38:28 the Federal Reserve is going to have to bail them out on that one, no doubt about it 15:38:33 Lord_Odysseus: But they had better hope they have an excemption from terrorism, otherwise they are probably going bankrupt. 15:38:46 any reports on the $$ figure of damage? 15:39:14 Mecury: I'm sure if they didn't have terriorism insurance before the WTC bombing a few years ago, they sure as hell did now 15:39:53 Lord_Odysseus: None that I've seen, but I don't think that anyone is going to put a doller amount on it, not until they know how many were killed. 15:39:59 The US Federal Reserve led the charge, saying that it was operating as normal, and that funds were available to shore up the banking sector. 15:40:03 according to the BBC 15:40:0air traffic control/security systems that normally could not be upgraded because of the fact planes are constiantly in the sky 15:43:00 yes 15:43:10 my mom was supposed to go to atlanta tommorow. 15:43:19 guess she's not going. 15:43:31 roo9: atleast not by plane 15:43:37 Lord_Odysseus: They are saying noon tomorrow minimum, very possibily later. 15:43:50 Lord_Odysseus: no trains ... no buses. 15:44:22 it's like 20 hours away 15:44:48 --- ChipX86 gives voice to Tobias- 15:45:53 <-- Sasch has quit (Read error to Sasch[dsl-hki0444.dial.inet.fi]: EOF from client) 15:46:23 Ok, filpside is saying that the border is open, but it will be closed later on today, so you can exit the country, but not get back in. 15:46:31 --- ChipX86 gives voice to flipSide 15:46:40 I am very very suripised that nothing happened in the midwest or west coast 15:47:00 Lord_Odysseus: I'm very happy about that 15:47:07 I was very worried there was something much bigger going on because they through the east coast into complete chaos 15:47:39 inside NY had to be insane: no TV, no telecomunications because all of that was on the WTC 15:47:55 yep 15:48:00 some telephones are down 15:48:02 Lord_Odysseus: There might be more in a day or two when people start to relax. 15:48:14 more what? 15:48:26 Mecury: people are not going to relax 15:48:26 ChipX86: More 'fun'. 15:48:30 ah 15:48:39 That is personal speculation. 15:49:01 we'll remember this day forever 15:49:20 people are going to "rally around the flag" just like they did in our last day of infamy 15:49:25 avoozl has pointed out that CNN is saying 2100 wounded 600 taken to hospitals so far. 15:49:44 :/ 15:49:53 I've heard of some deaths too.. 15:49:55 Keeping in mind that rescue teams have not been able to even get near because deberes is still mplify American unity 15:50:45 it's bigger 15:50:54 more deaths, and civilian fatalities 15:51:09 Mr Greenspan is currently out of the country, in Switzerland, for a regular meeting of central bankers. 15:51:23 I just have this fear that it's not over yet... 15:51:32 Chip: me too 15:51:54 as bad as the strike was, it was quick 15:51:56 The Swiss authorities could not confirm Mr Greenspan's precise location, but said his plane returning to the US turned round on hearing the news and flew to Zurich airport. 15:52:00 I can see them continuing it 15:52:12 also the king of Jordan's plane has been turned around also 15:52:45 <-- montana has quit (Signed off) 15:54:38 they just said that information they've found from the crash makes them think it's Bin Laden even more 15:56:01 ChipX86: Yes, lots of hints, but no actual information. 15:56:03 ChipX86: I don't think they want to find any other info 15:56:12 riel_: why? 15:56:12 ChipX86: info leading somewhere else leads to war 15:56:31 I know you don't like war, but it's going to happen 15:56:34 ChipX86: while this only leads to Bin Laden, in relation to an attack already condemned by the Afgan government 15:56:40 <-- Viiru has quit (Signed off) 15:58:08 <-- thepug has quit (Read error to thepug[deepthought.itlab.musc.edu]: EOF from client) 15:58:28 riel: wether the taleban knew about or not they had to condem this, otherwise they would allready have been destroyed hours ago 15:59:36 Lord_Odysseus: and now that they've openly condemned, they can't back down 15:59:45 Lord_Odysseus: they've committed themselves 16:00:26 --- ChipX86 gives channel operator status to comrad 16:00:35 thx 16:01:23 riel: that doesn't mean much of anything 16:07:40 The reports of people making cell phone calls from the planes reporting that there was a hijacking. 16:07:40 Barbara Olson is dead 1: dunno. Apparently some senator's wife. She was involved in some investigations, such as the Levy one 16:09:12 Mecury: the skys are so crammed that the radar screen looks like a large green blur half the time 16:09:44 the one cell phone call I did hear about was on the united plane that crashed into the ground 16:10:09 from my understanding the piolit likley did that, knowing of what happened in NYC and DC, to prevent any further carnage 16:10:56 Lord_Odysseus: Considdering that the direction of flight was taking him to washington, yes, and if so the piolet who made that choice had to be one of the braviest people I can think of. 16:12:10 According to flipSide there are CNN feeds at www.digitallyimported.com 16:13:38 flipSide: you're now voiced, btw 16:13:49 ChipX86: Thanks. 16:16:56 ChipX86: =) thanks 16:17:50 <-- boodle has quit (Signed off) 16:18:39 np 16:20:56 woah! 16:21:01 Tom Clancy? 16:21:03 HGUE dust cloud is flying towards the cameras 16:21:05 everybody is running 16:21:15 panic 16:21:37 I guess #7 just went down 16:21:52 Oh my god, another building. 16:24:33 05:20P [dieman!dieman@eniac.g33ks.net] http://161.58.178.38:7000/ <-- AP Breaking news coverage mp3 stream 16:24:59 Yup.. they've been talkinga bout the structure of building #7 all morning... Its officially CLoud of dust #3 16:25:05 yep :/ 16:25:17 today sucks 16:25:22 I should take a walk 16:27:18 #7 collapsed due to the debree falling from both buildings... and there are other potential buildings awaiting their structures to fail.... more buildings are expected to collapse... (aND.. the car bombing was just FICTION..) 16:28:27 really? I heard that they confirmed that 16:29:05 CNN said that it was a HOax 16:29:11 ok 16:29:12 They said car bomb, they said no car bomb, they turned around and said there really is one because it just blew up, then back to no car bomb. 16:29:25 that's one unique car bomb 16:29:30 lOFL.... 16:29:33 I suspect that it might have happened and was swept under the carpet. 16:29:44 m or 9pm. (They are saying 9pm now, but it may be moved up.) 16:32:04 <-- sivol|home has quit (Ping timeout for sivol|home[a213-84-19-236.adsl.xs4all.nl]) 16:33:34 Mercury: EST? 16:33:34 <-- schultmc has quit (Signed off) 16:33:34 ChipX86: Yes. 16:33:34 ok 16:35:26 Borders ARE closed from Mexico... (daddy works in Mexico... and will be sleeping out there now) 16:36:02 well I'm going to head out for a little bit. I need food :) 16:37:27 HEY 16:37:49 FILL YOUR TANK.. gass prices in houston are now 5 dollars a gallon.... (i'll brb.. going to fill tank) 16:37:55 walking :) 16:38:06 AM/PM is nearby. Just grabbing snacks 16:38:46 --- ChipX86 gives voice to look 16:38:58 flipSide: !? 16:39:26 --- ChanServ gives voice to Mercury 16:39:47 flipSide: are you serious? 16:39:48 Long lines for blood donation here in Minneapolis 16:39:55 <-- boto has quit (Signed off) 16:40:08 flipSide: Geez, but not unexpected. 16:40:19 It will take a few days for prices of things to get back to 'normal'. 16:40:22 <-- w12zard has quit (Signed off) 16:40:30 ok, bb in ~1 hour 16:40:46 I'm going to jump in the shower, back in half an hour or so. 16:41:05 flipSide: are gas prices really that high? 16:41:46 roo9: I recall something about the main gas pipelines being shutdown due to the fact that they would make really really nasty targets. 16:46:23 <-- Mentor has quit (Signed off) 16:49:11 <-- axa has quit (Signed off) 16:51:08 I'm back! =).. and yes.. gas prices in houston are 5 dollars a gallon.. its on the news... 16:52:41 Mercury: and the reason the gas prices are is related to the stock market being down.. and if the United States government retaliates towards any of these Oil Producing Countries.. gas prices will rise... 16:52:56 <-- Zygo has quit (Ping timeout for Zygo[246.chipworks.com]) 16:55:25 flipSide: do you have a link? 17:00:42 <-- Squeezer has quit (Signed off) 17:01:23 <-- torgski has quit (Signed off) 17:03:26 put on CNN 17:03:52 Attacks and explosions in Carbul (sp??) From BBC News 17:06:24 Kabul, 17:06:24 <-- |shiloh| has quit (goodbye) 17:07:15 There are confirmed attacks in Kabul, it is still unknown who, if anyone is attacking this 17:07:33 there are confirmed reports of anti-aircraft fire 17:07:37 it has since ceased 17:11:27 <-- saf has quit (Signed off) 17:11:27 back for a sec 17:11:27 what's going on? Somebody's attacking Kabul? 17:11:27 yes 17:11:27 do you know what the northen alliance is? 17:11:27 no 17:11:27 NOrther Alliance is the anit-Taliban forces 17:11:38 --- ChipX86 gives voice to Wayne- 17:11:56 http://www.aeronautics.ru/img003/afghanistan-strike-map-01.gif a map of the area that was attacked. Thanks avoozl 17:12:26 <-- sat has quit (Signed off) 17:13:49 hmmm interesting 17:13:49 ok, bbs again.. haven't left yet, and it's about to rain 17:13:49 missels or bombs caused the explosions (BBC) 17:15:44 1805 - CNN reports of missles bombing the airport in Kabul ... sources say possibility of cruise missles 17:15:50 it was the airport? 17:17:39 it didn't look like that from the pictures 17:17:39 looked like a large building 17:17:39 CBC TV here told that Kabul was a quite small town with nothing much "to bomb." 17:17:39 anti air craft was fired (BBC from CNN) 17:17:43 Did hell break loose while I was in the shower or something? 17:17:43 <-- Lar4ry has quit (Signed off) 17:17:54 US says it's Afgan Oppisiton forces are likley responsible 17:18:10 CNN reported: "a muntions dump in Kabul, Afghanistan was just bombed". 17:18:18 so munitions. 17:18:25 <-- freek has quit (Signed off) 17:18:36 So let me get this straight, the country we were going to go harras is in the middle of a cival war!? 17:18:58 i dont think it's a us strike 17:19:06 if it was they would tell us 17:19:16 and i do not believe the US would strike so soon 17:19:27 BBC radio just said another building colapsed, but they may be reffering to Building 7 17:19:46 I only wish we would strike so soon... 17:22:04 Geeez this is one big shithole we are in. 17:23:09 Mercury: no kidding :( 17:24:38 CBS just reported an unnamed high US official says that the Kabul incidents are not US retaliation. 17:24:38 They may be related but not sent by the US. 17:25:12 they did not confirm OR deny 17:25:16 Bush is in route to Washington DC now.. and will address the country at 9 Tonight.. 17:25:48 now clinton would never strike this soon but bush. he's stuped enough to do it. 17:25:52 That's 9 EDT, btw 17:26:10 France Presse: "6 or 7 big explosions in Kabul." 17:27:34 CBC: 44 planes rerouted to canada during the day 17:29:07 hmmm if anyone can find out who insures the World Trade Center, please message me 17:29:11 Well, I'll say this much, Bush /WILL/ have his military budget. 17:29:30 Lord_Odysseus: it's not AIG 17:29:39 Lord_Odysseus: We could call news stations? 17:29:46 Call CNBC they know 17:29:51 I'm sure they are asking the same question 17:30:02 (Thats what I did for the border thing.) 17:30:24 WTC's website apparently went away with the building 17:30:34 <-- ronaldo_ has quit (Read error to ronaldo_[adsl-50234.turboline.skynet.be]: EOF from client) 17:30:53 <-- pix has quit (Signed off) 17:30:54 i'm eating dinner now.... i will come back if anyting else blows up... otherwise.. i'm hungry 17:31:51 here we go BBC is talking about it 17:32:15 they don't know anything except it that it will be the largest claim ever 17:32:18 <-- Kysh has quit (Signed off) 17:32:37 Lord_Odysseus: I am /not/ suprised. 17:32:45 I received unconfirmed numbers from the radio today that it would be around 3 billion dollars of cumulative claims 17:33:06 Wayne-: Daaaaamn. 17:33:14 FOXNews: Pentagon denies anything to do with Kabul bombing. 17:33:21 CNN is definitely saying that it is NOT a US strike. 17:33:42 I have to wonder which side started the major shooting over there. 17:33:52 The side which possibily ng for the last 40 minutes over there.. (its 3:30 in the morning over there) 17:34:24 Or the side which is /really/ fscking pissed off that the other side just invited one SEVERELY pissed off USA to visit with big guns. 17:35:15 I think it's opposition forces 17:35:22 that seems to be the main streem speculation 17:35:41 I don't think that I've seen CNN saying without any attempt to hide it, saying 'holy shit', or much much worse before. 17:35:45 Afghanistan has been known to host training camps for the terrorist group though 17:36:13 I also don't think I've seen them break down unable to continue or almost unable to continue before. 17:36:15 I did today. 17:36:18 BBC says they are rocket attacks by afgan rebels 17:36:19 <-- WiLM has quit (Read error to WiLM[kabel203236.kabel.utwente.nl]: Connection reset by peer) 17:36:34